The following video presentation touches on a number of facts about the origins of the Trinity and how the doctrine is not related to inspired scripture. Below that is a short commentary on Trinitarian origins and shortcomings as compared to inspired scripture.
Who is a judge of the person who sincerely devotes him or herself to follow Christ? Let God judge the man or woman who, hearing and reading the ten commandments, for example, sincerely desires to obey those commandments. One may look at the sincere follower of Christ and conclude the person is not obeying those commandments as they should, but let God be the judge.
But, what of the Trinity? Can a person read his or her Bible and find the command to believe in God as a Trinity? Is a Trinity even discussed in the Bible? Exhaust yourself with study into the matter, and you will come up empty. Instead, you will have to study into religious, philosophical, and political human history to discover the introduction, acceptance, and imposition of the Trinity doctrine upon what is called Christianity, today. Yet, mainstream Christianity condemns the man or woman who would deny the Trinity. It is an extra-biblical doctrine, introduced two centuries after the decease of all the Apostles, used specifically and purposefully to judge you as a "true" Christian. It would not matter, when all was said and done, what other doctrines you accepted, even all other doctrines of the mainstream church. It would not matter, when all was said and done, what tradition you accepted, even all traditions of the mainstream church. If you do not accept the doctrine of the Trinity, you are considered a heretic worthy of condemnation. Historically, people paid with their lives for refusing to accept the doctrine, whether they called themselves Christian or not. And, presently, in the collective mind of the church, you are condemned. They have consigned you to eternal damnation for rejecting this man-made doctrine.
We read in Acts...
Acts 4:8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,
9 If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole;
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.(emphasis added)
Note in verse 12, it is the name of Jesus, and only the name of Jesus of Nazareth, by which we MUST be saved; not the Trinity. You may say, "Well, of course!" Yet, to reject the Trinity doctrine in the eyes of mainstream Christianity is to be condemned to eternal damnation.
In truth, you will find that the main identifier of FALSE Christianity is not found in whether a person completely understands, though sincerely trying, all of scripture (After all, are we not GROWING in grace and knowledge?), but, instead, in adoption of doctrine that does not originate in the Bible, and, with the acceptance of that doctrine, the rejection and condemnation of all who will not embrace it.
Revealed in scripture is a church that calls itself Christian but behaves the harlot, instead of the chaste virgin. This church, in prophecy, even takes the lives of true believers, those who follow God in both spirit and truth (John 4:23-24), the truth being the word of God (John 17:17; Colossians 1:5; 1 Thessalonians 2:13).
Revelation 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Let us do our best to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord, Jesus Christ (2 Peter 3:18), worshipping the Father and Jesus Christ in spirit and truth (John 4:23-24). It is by their Holy Spirit we are given the ability to accomplish such a task.
A Powerful Revelation!
When you begin to appreciate the nature and revealed composition of the Godhead as is expressed by the Bible, that understanding leads to a whole new view of God's word as it pertains to His proposed relationship with you. God is adding to the Family of God just as the word of God emphasizes over and over again. God is not a closed "system", as the Trinity concludes, but a dynamic family known to the readers of the Bible as Father and Son, creative in such a miraculous way as to provide sonship to those who love the way and will of God. This is all done by that shared Holy Spirit revealed in the Bible, able even to be imparted as earnest to fleshly man (2 Cor. 5:5; Eph. 1:1214), those who would lay down their lives for God and God's good news for all mankind; any who will believe and follow Jesus the Christ.
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Hi Admin Much of the 'imagery' in the synoptic gospels was designed to impress Jewish converts that what was being taught 'resonated' with Jewish teching.At the end of thje day salvation is (i) By GODS good grace (ii) Requires repentance.We are required to be 'born again' which boils down to having a new heart and living within the tenants of Mark 12 verses 29-35.Christ came to show us THE WAY.Every BLessing John
It seems that your ministry and the Jehovah's Witnesses have a problem with the use of the word TRINITY with reference to the Godhead.My advise to is just don't use the word and as the preacher in this video says JUST BELIEVE IN GOD FATHER, SON & SPIRIT other than wasting your energy runnning round in circles. If what the preacher claims Constatine did is true it had a positive effect of bringing God's People together under the umbrella of the Roman Catholic Church. After all ... Read More
It seems that your ministry and the Jehovah's Witnesses have a problem with the use of the word TRINITY with reference to the Godhead.My advise to is just don't use the word and as the preacher in this video says JUST BELIEVE IN GOD FATHER, SON & SPIRIT other than wasting your energy runnning round in circles. If what the preacher claims Constatine did is true it had a positive effect of bringing God's People together under the umbrella of the Roman Catholic Church. After all Christ had prayed for the unity of His Church. John 17:20-22 and I quote: 20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one". This is also proof that God the Father and the Son are ONE!
“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD” Deuteronomy 6:4 “Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.” Isaiah 44:8 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: Isaiah 45:5 “Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like ... Read More
“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD” Deuteronomy 6:4“Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.” Isaiah 44:8I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: Isaiah 45:5“Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me…” Isaiah 46:9So from these few verses we have seen that God has not once described himself as being three in one. No where in the Old Testament, or in the whole Bible for that matter, is mentioned the word Trinity. God has only said he is one being.
“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD” Deuteronomy 6:4 “Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.” Isaiah 44:8 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: Isaiah 45:5 “Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like ... Read More
“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD” Deuteronomy 6:4“Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.” Isaiah 44:8I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: Isaiah 45:5“Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me…” Isaiah 46:9So from these few verses we have seen that God has not once described himself as being three in one. No where in the Old Testament, or in the whole Bible for that matter, is mentioned the word Trinity. God has only said he is one being.
Many Christains possess a wrong view of the Trinity. It is time to learn the True Teaching. What I mean is that all of God,(power, authority, glory, Spirit) lives in Christ (not three GODS on three THRONES as people say). A good illustration of this is the Soul and Spirit living in the Body, in man. Does this make you three? No. Just as the Father and Holy Spirit lives in Christ, so does the Spirit and Soul live in Jesus Christ. The Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit represents the Name of ... Read More
Many Christains possess a wrong view of the Trinity. It is time to learn the True Teaching. What I mean is that all of God,(power, authority, glory, Spirit) lives in Christ (not three GODS on three THRONES as people say). A good illustration of this is the Soul and Spirit living in the Body, in man. Does this make you three? No. Just as the Father and Holy Spirit lives in Christ, so does the Spirit and Soul live in Jesus Christ. The Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit represents the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ. The Reason why Jesus Christ is called God is because He is the WORD from God. They are not of the same authority but He is called God because, the Word of God can't be put aside from Him. They are One. We believe that The Father and Holy Spirit never Had a Body but live in Jesus Christ as their body. Think on these things and see that they are true. Philipians 4.8. Scriptural Reading: John 1.1, Genesis 1.26, 11.7, Isaiah 6.8, John 1,2,3,4,5,6,
From the study guide... 1. Hebrews:1:5 tells us that Jesus was begotten by His Father. Did He beget Himself? 2. In Matthew:22:44, the Father said Jesus would sit at His right hand until His enemies were made His footstool. Was Jesus to sit at His own right hand? 3. In Matthew:24:36, when Jesus told His disciples that no one knows the day or hour of His return but the Father only, did He really know but made up an excuse to not tell them? 4. In John:14:28, Jesus said His Father was greater than ... Read More
From the study guide...1. Hebrews:1:5 tells us that Jesus was begotten by His Father. Did He beget Himself?2. In Matthew:22:44, the Father said Jesus would sit at His right hand until His enemies were made His footstool. Was Jesus to sit at His own right hand?3. In Matthew:24:36, when Jesus told His disciples that no one knows the day or hour of His return but the Father only, did He really know but made up an excuse to not tell them?4. In John:14:28, Jesus said His Father was greater than He was. Does this mean He was greater than Himself?5. In John:17:1, Jesus prayed to His Father. Was He praying to Himself?6. In Matthew:27:46, Jesus cried out, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?" Had He forsaken Himself?7. In John:20:17, Jesus said He would ascend to the Father after His resurrection. Did He ascend to Himself?These and many others conflict with the three in one concept. Another that comes to mind...1 Cor. 15:20-25
What did the early Christians believe? For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1Timothy 2:5 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 8v6 Notice how the apostle Paul believes that there is one God and one Lord Jesus. They are two different beings – not part of a trinity. Again we could mention here that the word “trinity” is ... Read More
What did the early Christians believe? For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1Timothy 2:5But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 8v6Notice how the apostle Paul believes that there is one God and one Lord Jesus. They are two different beings – not part of a trinity. Again we could mention here that the word “trinity” is nowhere to be found in the Bible but mainstream Christianity holds it up as a core doctrine.
The study aid, Is God a Trinity?, referenced on this page, is very thorough, both in explaining the history of the formation of the doctrine and in going to scripture to discover what it reveals about God.
It's not bad news by any means. God is sovereign, indeed. God is just but merciful. Certainly, mysteries can be derived from Bible explanations, but God and how God functions, as revealed in scripture, is no mystery. It is how God is revealed in the Bible that makes our future so ... Read More
The study aid, Is God a Trinity?, referenced on this page, is very thorough, both in explaining the history of the formation of the doctrine and in going to scripture to discover what it reveals about God.
It's not bad news by any means. God is sovereign, indeed. God is just but merciful. Certainly, mysteries can be derived from Bible explanations, but God and how God functions, as revealed in scripture, is no mystery. It is how God is revealed in the Bible that makes our future so meaningful. The very existence of the Trinity doctrine invites ignorance into the subject of what God is doing for you and me.
The study aid (it's free; it's online; you don't even have to order a copy) is very much worth your time, even if only to become a better critic of what this page is trying to explain.
Thanks for continued civil discourse.
Hi Admin You summed things up very well. All attempts to describe the relationship between Father, Son, and Holy Spirit end up by becoming either (i) Tritheism - three Gods or (ii)Modalism.-one God with different modes of existance rather like actors on a stage. Both these are considred to be heretical by modern churches. Why can we not keep it Biblical and not continue to support Catholic doctrine.?Blessings John
Hi William, You make some interesting points! I would like to dwell for one moment on the use of the word 'WORSHIP' My reply will require 2 contiguous posts Christ received and accepted 'worship' on many occasions The Greek word for 'worship' is 'proskyeno'(Strongs G 4352) and it literally means 'bowing before' It is used (i) To kiss ones hand out of reverence (ii)To fall before (iii)To pay homage to superiors (a) Jewish High Priests (b) God (c) Christ ... Read More
Hi William, You make some interesting points! I would like to dwell for one moment on the use of the word 'WORSHIP' My reply will require 2 contiguous postsChrist received and accepted 'worship' on many occasionsThe Greek word for 'worship' is 'proskyeno'(Strongs G 4352) and it literally means 'bowing before'It is used (i) To kiss ones hand out of reverence (ii)To fall before (iii)To pay homage to superiors (a) Jewish High Priests (b) God (c) Christ (d)Heavenly beings (e) Demons SEE NEXT POST God Bless John
Hi Do you really believe that falling under the umbrella of the Roman Catholic Church did us all a favour? This doctrine was propogated by brutality and the sword. It will take another generation of the 'information age' to rid ourselves of this abomination called the trinity. In the meantime it remains as Christianitys 'open wound' and gives Muslims a chance to demolish Christianity.Blessings John
Brother John actually muslims wouldnt want to demolish christianity but demolish the misinterpretations of the Bible, demolish trinity& crucifixion, we believe Jesus PBUH was a messenger not a God and not his begotten son, the Biblical Language used the word son for all those who believed & followed the teachings of Jesus PBUH e.g John 1:12, Romans 8:14, Genesis 6:2, Exodus 4:22 and this exactly what the revised standard version of the Bible says,that the word "begotten" in ... Read More
Brother John actually muslims wouldnt want to demolish christianity but demolish the misinterpretations of the Bible, demolish trinity& crucifixion, we believe Jesus PBUH was a messenger not a God and not his begotten son, the Biblical Language used the word son for all those who believed & followed the teachings of Jesus PBUH e.g John 1:12, Romans 8:14, Genesis 6:2, Exodus 4:22 and this exactly what the revised standard version of the Bible says,that the word "begotten" in the Bible is an interpolation and a fabrication and a concoction and should be removed from the Bible. We follow the teachings of Jesus PBUH more than the christians them selves, e.g. its mentioned in Isaiah 65:25, deuteronomy 4:8,that u shouldnt have pork, its mentioned in Ephesis 5:18 that u shouldnt drink alcohol, all muslims dont eat pork dont drink alcohol,most christians do.Jesus PBUH was circumcised on the 8th just like all muslims and unlike all christians , thts cuz u are following paul not Jesus PBUH
Dear "Lets reason' and Ishbeli You are both absaolutely correct, and one wonders why so much effort is put into trying to separate men and women who believe in the ONE True God. As you say the Christian Bible, and indeed the Tanakh, talk about "the Lord our God is one Lord' One means one!! Trinitarians try to tell one that the Hebrew word used for 'one' is 'echad'. While it is true that 'one' can mean a single entiry or a 'multiple' entity the ... Read More
Dear "Lets reason' and Ishbeli You are both absaolutely correct, and one wonders why so much effort is put into trying to separate men and women who believe in the ONE True God. As you say the Christian Bible, and indeed the Tanakh, talk about "the Lord our God is one Lord' One means one!! Trinitarians try to tell one that the Hebrew word used for 'one' is 'echad'. While it is true that 'one' can mean a single entiry or a 'multiple' entity the context make the meaning quite clear. For example are we talking about a single grape or one bunch of grapes. The Hebrews clearly understood that God was not a 'multiple entity'.!!! That's for sure!! There is a Hebrew word 'yashid' which means 'only one' - for example to denote an 'only son' but 'yashid' is never used in discussing the Lord God almighty.!! I simply subscribe to the words used in Mark Chapter 12 verses 29-35. I do not believe in the Triniy Blessings John
You make a clear distinction between the divinity and the humanity of Jesus Christ and the trinity doctrine crumbles before you as will the Jehovah's Witness doctrine. As God Jesus accepted worship,forgave sins, cast out devils created loaves, calmed the storm etc. As a man, He prayed, ate food, slept, died, learned etc. Father, Son, Holy Spirit is the same Being revealing Himself in three stages- God mysteriously coming closer and closer until He settles in the human heart, His true abode. ... Read More
You make a clear distinction between the divinity and the humanity of Jesus Christ and the trinity doctrine crumbles before you as will the Jehovah's Witness doctrine. As God Jesus accepted worship,forgave sins, cast out devils created loaves, calmed the storm etc. As a man, He prayed, ate food, slept, died, learned etc. Father, Son, Holy Spirit is the same Being revealing Himself in three stages- God mysteriously coming closer and closer until He settles in the human heart, His true abode. The church is the Body of Christ (Christ liveth in me said Paul), yet the Holy Spirit also lives in the believer. I cannot accept that two persons are living in me !
Hi Admin I note that you do not accept that Christ is a created being. If we say that Christ is the 'first-born' then we can imply that there was a time when he 'was not'. These are very deep matters and are best discussed in specialised fora - such as Trinities.org. I note that your 'take 'on Philippians 2 is the 'standard' one - yet is is so clear that the verses you note are refrring to the 'second Adam' who, unlike the 'first adam' did not ... Read More
Hi Admin I note that you do not accept that Christ is a created being. If we say that Christ is the 'first-born' then we can imply that there was a time when he 'was not'. These are very deep matters and are best discussed in specialised fora - such as Trinities.org. I note that your 'take 'on Philippians 2 is the 'standard' one - yet is is so clear that the verses you note are refrring to the 'second Adam' who, unlike the 'first adam' did not seek to be equal to God ( Genesis 3v5) but emptied imself (of hi human ego) and became obedient even unto death on a cross. God Bless John
Let's suffice it to say, John, that, though we may heartily agree that God is not a Trinity, we are in complete disagreement as to who or what God is.I AM spoke to Moses and Jesus claims to be the same I AM. Your conclusion takes totally out of context Jesus' interaction with the Jews in that passage. Though Jesus purposely spoke in parables at times so people would not understand, this was not a parable. This was a "truly, truly" statement of assurance.
Hi William PART 2 There is another word for WORSHIP and that is 'Latreou' (Strongs G 3000) It is derived from the word "Latris' which means 'TO SERVE' and is usually used to describe the duties of hired servants It appears in the NT 21 times (i) 18 times to YHWH usually in reference to rites and services offered by priests (ii) 2 times to describe misplaced or idolatrous worship - e.g. worship of idols ( Acts 7 v 42 and 'worship of a creature other than the creator ... Read More
Hi William PART 2 There is another word for WORSHIP and that is 'Latreou' (Strongs G 3000)It is derived from the word "Latris' which means 'TO SERVE' and is usually used to describe the duties of hired servants It appears in the NT 21 times(i) 18 times to YHWH usually in reference to rites and services offered by priests(ii) 2 times to describe misplaced or idolatrous worship - e.g. worship of idols ( Acts 7 v 42 and 'worship of a creature other than the creator (Romans 1 v 25 (iii) In Revelation 22 v3 it is unclear who is receiving 'latreou' - but in any case don't forget (ii) aboveHope this helps with your analysis! God Bless John
Another point to raise is: Who raised Jesus from the dead? Many would say the Father. But Jesus Himself said, Destroy this temple and I will raise it up. He also said, I have power to lay down my life and I have power to take it up again. If we are dealing with two Beings here, then there is contradiction in Scripture. Besides if someone else raised Jesus from the dead, then He did not really conquer death for us - a fundamental of the gospel. Then what about others who have ever been raised ... Read More
Another point to raise is: Who raised Jesus from the dead? Many would say the Father. But Jesus Himself said, Destroy this temple and I will raise it up. He also said, I have power to lay down my life and I have power to take it up again. If we are dealing with two Beings here, then there is contradiction in Scripture. Besides if someone else raised Jesus from the dead, then He did not really conquer death for us - a fundamental of the gospel. Then what about others who have ever been raised from the dead by God??? Would their rising from the dead make them saviours? Of course not !
Hi William I think one has to be very careful here! I have not doubt that Christ was speaking allegorically when he used the word 'temple' There are many texts, written in clear language , which argue against what you are saying. Consider Christ is Gods' servant (Acts 3v25 and Acts 4 v 27) whom GOD raised from the dead. Many other verses e.g. Acts 3 verses 13-15 make the same point. God cannot die but he can and does resurrect others. I'd be interested to know who you think ... Read More
Hi William I think one has to be very careful here! I have not doubt that Christ was speaking allegorically when he used the word 'temple' There are many texts, written in clear language , which argue against what you are saying. Consider Christ is Gods' servant (Acts 3v25 and Acts 4 v 27) whom GOD raised from the dead. Many other verses e.g. Acts 3 verses 13-15 make the same point. God cannot die but he can and does resurrect others. I'd be interested to know who you think Christs God is ?! Who did HE pray to? Who did HE tell us to pray to? Thank you embarking on a quest for truth. Truth is all we have in this difficult world!Blessings John
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Much of the 'imagery' in the synoptic gospels was designed to impress Jewish converts that what was being taught 'resonated' with Jewish teching.At the end of thje day salvation is
(i) By GODS good grace
(ii) Requires repentance.We are required to be 'born again' which boils down to having a new heart and living within the tenants of Mark 12 verses 29-35.Christ came to show us THE WAY.Every BLessing
John